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墙内开花里外香——美国人评武广高铁  

2010-01-01 13:19:15|  分类: 08—愤青威武 |  标签: |举报 |字号 订阅

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新年视野:美国网民评武广高铁 - 地图驿栈 - 地图驿栈—让心歇息的港湾

新年伊始,开阔一下我们的视野吧。武汉-广州高速铁路于2009年12月26日正式运营后,轰动了全世界,美国普通网民们也进行了大量的评论和感慨,这是2009年12月28日晚美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛FREEREPUBLIC上的部分贴子。

It is amazing how quickly things may be built when you don't have to worry about appeasing the environmentalist. It's as simple as that-- 20:20:36 by OldDeckHand

我很惊讶,在没有环保主义疯子干扰下,工程进度可以如此之快,事情就这么简单。

China is doing incredible things while we rot and decay--20:27:30 by Scythian

中国正在创造伟大,我们却正在腐烂和衰败。

I have to admit that I love the station architecture. Bright and open with the trains right out on center stage, not shoved into a dark basement like they are at Union Station here in Chicago. The Chinese measure their success by the things they build, and they are justly proud of their feats of engineering. Where we turn out ethnic studies graduates they turn out electrical engineers. I worry most about adversaries that are builders. The fanatics burn out, you can outlast them like we did with the Russians. The thieves destroy themselves. But the builders grow stronger with every day that goes by--20:27:54 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me)

我得承认,我很喜欢他们明亮、开放的火车站设计,比芝加哥那个灰色阴暗的火车站强多了。中国人用伟大的工程来衡量他们的成就,为自己的工程奇迹而自豪。我们培养出来的都是人文学科毕业生,他们培养出来的却都是电气工程师。我最担忧的是,我们的对手都是工程师,狂热的意识形态信徒很好对付,就如我们对付俄国人那样,但工程师却每天都在强大起来。

To OldDeckHand: I also note that there were no UNION Thugs/Leeches getting their 25% cut on this deal and drawing this construction out to a typical 15-25 years. For a comparison compare notes on the Boston Big Dig which was 350% over budget and still 20+ years overdue... but hey its a Democrat construction job in a overwhelmingly democrat state--20:34:33 by prophetic

我也注意到,他们根本没有工会吸血鬼。看看我们波士顿的工程,由于贪婪的工会吸血鬼,预算超支350%,还得延期20年以上,这就是民主党的建筑效率,民主党的国家。

Our engineers told the Chinese the Burma Road would cost millions and take 10+ years, but they did it in a year for peanuts--20:46:12 by moehoward

我们的工程师告诉中国人说,缅甸那路需要投入巨大资金且需要十多年工期才能建成,结果中国人只用了1年和很小花费就完工。

Yeah, we couldn’t finish environmental impact studies in four years. If we tried to build a transcontinental, high speed rail line, the Chinese & Japanese would be using Star Trek style transporters before we ran the first train--21:02:54 by sjmjax

是啊,整整四年时间我们却连工程的环境影响评估也未能完成。等我们第一条高速铁路建成通车时,中国人和日本人的星际交通恐怕都开通了。

And the 9/11 site IS STILL A HOLE IN THE GROUND--21:02:58 by Mr. K

中国高铁4年通车,9/11遗址现在还是个大土坑。

Up here in the People's Republic of Vermont we have been trying to get a ring road built around Chittenden County for more than 30 years. A road. One fricken road--21:08:05 by Straight Vermonter

我们佛蒙特州有一条环城公路已经实施了30多年还没搞定呢,就只是一条破路而已!

The phrase heard around the Big Dig project was "don't kill the job", which meant don't get the job done right the first time. Or even the second. What a remarkable feat of engineering!!! I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that's geared towards creating unproductive serfs--21:15:14 by artaxerces

波士顿那个已经延期20年、预算超标350%的工程,至今仍在论证“是否会减少就业机会”,也就是说,大概还得试两三次才能知道成功与否。(武广高铁)是一个多么伟大的工程啊!!!真希望我们美国也能建设些类似的工程,很不幸,我们现在没有工程师和技术专家了,我们的教育系统现在只培养酒囊饭袋。

Faster and cheaper as well, since these trains run on electricity (which can be generated locally) rather than imported petroleum based jet fuel--21:22:01 by artaxerces

既比我们的快,也比我们的便宜,用的电本地就可以发,不必进口石油。

That and not having to wait around for shipments of parts from China because you only ship them within your country which happens to be China where everything in the world is made anyways--21:22:53 by GraceG

劳动力便宜,运输也快,全世界的东西现在都是中国生产,大概这就是为什么中国人能这么快搞定吧。

Never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force...If labor cost was the only factor, than India and Africa would be building such systems as well. China has the huge numbers of competent engineers and technicians necessary to pull this off--21:26:03 by artaxerces

中国有既便宜又高素质的劳动力,这是成功的关键,印度和非洲只是劳动力便宜,只有中国才有这能力完成超级工程。

As opposed to Ground Zero, eight years later, that's still a hole in the ground--21:28:38 by thefactor

跟我们的世贸中心遗址形成鲜明对比,8年过去了,现在还是个大土坑。

"Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective." I'm not sure I would agree with the "ineffective" part - nefarious to be sure, but not ineffective. Unlike the Soviets Union, who didn't engage in the kind of super-Neo-Capitalism that China does, I don't believe that China will collapse under the weight of itself. China has somehow managed to maintain a firm grip on its citizens, while also using the unquestionable benefits of its manufacturing and trade policies with the west. We are, for the first time in history, supplying the capital requirements of our enemy through the mechanism of (somewhat) free markets. It's a very strange dynamic, and one that - so far - China has been very adept at exploiting.

集权国家既有效率又没效率?我不同意中国效率低。跟苏联不同,中国现在在经济上搞得是超级新资本主义,效率极高,我不相信中国会像苏联那样由于自己经济的缺陷而崩溃,中国现在通过跟西方的贸易,很牢固的掌握了国内民心。而我们,感谢机械的自由市场经济,历史上第一次向我们敌人输出资本,中国人现在很会利用这点来削弱我们。

Some people talk and other people do. Can you figure out which we are now?--22:26:34 by dmanLA

一些人做实事,一些人说大话,我们美国现在是哪一类?

A great society is not defined solely by the big buildings and monuments it builds. Most of the world's greatest inventions of the past century that made our lives better, longer and easier were made in the USA--22:31:45 by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition)

伟大的社会不光靠建筑成就来定义,人类上世纪大部分最伟大的科技发明都是美国创造的。

That is very true. We must also remember that during the 19th century, the U.S was the greatest perpetrator of technological theft/industrial espionage in the entire world. And considering that China is now in the top 3 in terms of annual technology patents when 20 years ago, it wasn’t in the top 50, this is alarming news.

确实如此,不过别忘了,19世纪时美国是全世界侵犯知识产权和抄袭模仿最多的国家,中国现在已经是世界上申请技术专利第三多的国家了,而20年前他们连前50都不算,这是令人警醒的信号。

这就算是2010年的新年视野了!

说明:中文简译仅为不懂英文的朋友阅读参考,没有进行字词对照翻译,不妥之处请谅解。

资料:武汉-广州高速铁路客运专线于2005年6月23日动工,2009年12月20日试运行,2009年12月26日正式运营。线路全长1068.6公里,设计时速350公里/小时,试车最高时速394.2公里/小时,投资总额1166亿元,是迄今中国里程最长、技术标准最高、投资最大、票价最高的铁路客运专线,创造了多项世界之最、中国之最。

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